Saint-Saëns – Symphony No. 3 with Organ : Charles Munch and Boston Symphony 1959 – Review (CD, SACD, SACD 3.0, Vinyl, HDTT and Qobuz Hi-Res)

After testing the version of Saint-Saëns’ Symphony No. 3 recorded in 2015 with the Kansas City Symphony, this test focuses on Charles Munch’s version of Saint-Saëns’ Symphony No. 3, recorded with the Boston Symphony Orchestra in 1959, which is considered one of the best interpretations of this work. Munch, who was a specialist in French music, conducted a thrilling and moving performance of the symphony, highlighting the dramatic and expressive qualities of the work. The rhythmic precision and clarity of the instrument sections are remarkable, adding to the intensity of the performance. In addition, the high-quality sound recording perfectly captures the richness of the orchestra’s nuances. The Charles Munch’s version of Saint-Saëns’ Symphony No. 3 is considered an indispensable reference for this work.

For this review, you will find 6 versions tested: layer CD of SACD, SACD stereo, SACD 3.0, HDTT DXD, Qobuz Hi-Res and vinyl Analogue Production.

Below you will find the description of the different editions, as well as the measurements of each edition in the following chapters.
The synthesis of the review and the samples are available here

The album is composed of 10 tracks:

  1. I. Adagio – Allegro moderato
  2. II. Poco adagio
  3. III. Allegro moderato – Presto
  4. IV. Maestoso – Allegro
  5. I. De l’aube a midi sur la mer *
  6. II. Jeux de vagues *
  7. III. Dialogue du vent et de la mer *
  8. I. Rome-Palermo Calme *
  9. II. Tunis-Nefta Modéré très rythmé *
  10. III. Valencia Animé *

* only on SACD and Qobuz, these tracks are not reviewed

First we will analyze each edition in detail (technical and qualitative analysis), then we will compare the successive editions with their dynamics and assign a final score, and you will be able to listen some samples.

The streaming versions may evolve over time, those presented here correspond to the version tested at the date of publication, or update of the review.

Review of the editions:

Part 1: Presentation of the editions

Part 2 : Waveform and dynamique comparaison

Parts 3 : Spectrum comparisons

Part 4 : Spectrogram comparaisons>

Part 5 : Spatialization

Part 6 : Summary, scoring and Sample

Part 1: presentation of the editions

Ed 1: CD layer from SACD – 2004
Presentation

The SACD (ref 828766138726) is a hybrid version that also has a CD and SACD layer. It is this CD layer which is used for the ED1.

CD layer from SACD – 2004
Ed 2: SACD – 2004
Presentation

The SACD (ref 828766138726) is a hybrid version which also has a CD and SACD layer. It is the SACD layer which is used in stereo version for the Ed2

Ed 3: SACD 3.0 – 2004
Presentation

The SACD (ref 828766138726) is a hybrid version which also has a CD and SACD layer. It is the SACD layer which is used in version 3.0 for the Ed3. The sound engineers made the recording with 3 microphones, left, center and right. It is this recording which is retranscribed in its original format thanks to the multichannel SACD. The use of 3 channels (L,R,C) out of the 6 available on the SACD allows to respect the original recording on tape in 3 channels.

SACD 3.0 – 2004
Ed 4: DXD – 2022
Presentation

This is the High Definition Tape Transfers version presented in DXD 24 bits 352,8 kHz. This release was edited in DXD PCM from a DSD256 Master then the DXD edited master was used to generate the final DSD files. To avoid an additional conversion to DSD256, the DXD version is chosen.

HDTT DXD – 2022
Ed 5: Qobuz Hi-Res – 2004
Presentation

This is the Qobuz stereo version presented in Hi-Res 24 bits 88.2 kHz.

Qobuz Hi-Res – 2004
Ed 6: Vinyl – 2014
Presentation

The vinyl (ref AAPC 2341) from Analogue Production was made from the analog master tape with a very high quality pressing. The vinyl contains the 4 movements of the symphony.

Part 2 : Waveform and dynamic comparaisons

Waveform

The waveform represents the 4 movements of the symphony N°3 and does not include the complementary tracks present on certain media.

The graphs below represent the waveforms of the stereo versions (CD, vinyl, DXD files, SACD and Qobuz). For all these stereo versions, we note a dynamic restitution of the waveform which is confirmed with the measurement of the DR.

The waveform of the SACD 3.0 version is dynamic like the stereo versions. It can be seen that only the left, right and center channels are used as in the original tape recording.

Dynamic

Dynamic represents the ability to reproduce a wide range of sounds from the softest to the loudest. The target is to compare the dynamics of the music and not of the media (CD, digital files or vinyl).

For our 6 editions reviewed have obtained the following Dynamic Range (DR) :

CD layer from SACD – 2004SACD – 2004SACD 3.0 – 2004DXD – 2022Qobuz Hi-Res – 2004Vinyl – 2014
GlobalDR12DR12DR12DR13DR12DR12
MinDR10DR11DR11DR12DR10DR12
MaxDR13DR13DR13DR14DR13DR13
I. Adagio – Allegro moderatoDR12DR12DR12DR12DR12DR12
II. Poco adagioDR13DR13DR13DR14DR13DR13
III. Allegro moderato – PrestoDR12DR12DR12DR14DR12DR13
IV. Maestoso – AllegroDR10DR11DR11DR13DR10DR12
I. De l’aube a midi sur la mer *
II. Jeux de vagues *
III. Dialogue du vent et de la mer *
I. Rome-Palermo Calme *
II. Tunis-Nefta Modéré très rythmé *
III. Valencia Animé *

We find for all the editions a high dynamic with a DR12 or DR13. We notice that the vinyl has the same dynamics as the digital stereo versions which confirms the beautiful work of cutting of the vinyl.

As a reminder, the scale goes from 0 to more 20, but the dynamics are considered good from 12, quite good between 10 and 11, and deteriorate below 10.

Part 3 : spectrum comparisons

Spectrum

The Spectrum allows to check the tonal balance of the music (balance between treble, medium and bass sounds) and to detect process that may have been carried out during the recording, the mixing, mastering or manufacturing phases. It is also possible to detect frequency interference issues.

The spectrum of a CD and SACD can be compared by overlaying them. There is a small difference that can be observed beyond 18 kHz (yellow zone), where the SACD can offer better sound quality in terms of detail and finesse. However, it is important to note that the CD has a limitation at 22 kHz (yellow arrow) due to its use of a 44.1 kHz sampling frequency. In comparison, the SACD uses a higher sampling frequency, which allows it to reproduce a wider and more detailed spectrum.

The spectrum of the SACD and the Qobuz Hi-Res version are identical up to 40 kHz. However, it should be noted that the Qobuz Hi-Res version has a frequency limitation at 44 kHz due to its use of a sampling frequency of 88.2 kHz. Beyond 20 kHz, a similar increase in background noise as the SACD can be observed, which is related to the use of DSD64. This suggests that the Qobuz Hi-Res version is derived from the same SACD master, offering similar sound quality.

For the SACD 3.0 version, we find the same audio characteristics as the SACD stereo version, notably with regard to the rise of the background noise beyond 30 kHz which is due to the use of DSD64 coding. However, it should be noted that only the three front channels (left, right and center) are used for the SACD 3.0 version.

The spectra of the SACD and DXD are very similar with a perfect overlap between 600 Hz and 10 kHz. We notice a slight difference below 600 Hz of about 1 dB (green zone). Above 10 kHz, the treble level increases on the DXD version to reach 7 dB more at 20 kHz (yellow zone). Above 30 kHz, we observe the same rise in noise in the high frequencies for the SACD version, which is normal because of the use of DSD64, as on the DXD version. But the DXD version is normally issued from the conversion of the recording to DSD256, which should shift the rise of the noise in the high frequencies to 90 kHz instead of the 30 kHz present here. The DXD seems to come from a DSD64 rather than a DSD256.

The spectra of vinyl and SACD are very similar. There is a difference of up to 2 dB below 200 Hz (green zone), and a different behavior above 20 kHz with a rise towards 30 kHz for the vinyl. The yellow arrow indicates the rise in noise above 30 kHz due to the DSD64 format. The vinyl rendering will be very close to the SACD for the tonal balance.

Part 4 : Spectrogram comparaisons

Spectrogram

Spectrogram is another representation of frequency versus time of a track. For each channel (right and left), horizontal axis represents time, and the vertical axis represents frequency. The amplitude is represented by the intensity (brightness) of the color of each point in the image.

The spectrogram below represents the version of CD layer from SACD. The yellow arrow shows the limitation to 22 kHz. This is due to the sampling rate of 44.1 kHz for CD. There is no signal above these frequencies of 22 kHz (white arrow).

The spectrograms below represent the SACD, SACD 3.0, DXD and Qobuz versions. The yellow arrow shows that the signal rises above 20 kHz for all these formats (yellow arrow). Beyond 30 kHz, there is a rise in noise indicated by the white arrow.

The spectrogram below represents the vinyl version. The yellow arrow shows that the signal rises above 20 kHz for all these formats (yellow arrow). Beyond 30 kHz, there is a rise in noise indicated by the white arrow. The spurious frequency peak is present below 30 kHz on the whole recording (red arrow).

Part 5 : Spatialization

Spatialization allows you to define the sound distribution of the music on all the channels. The spatialization indicator and the description of the graph are described here.

The spatialization is limited to the front left, center and right channels according to the original recording. No spatial processing has been done, so the surround channels are absent. There is therefore no indicator of the distribution of channels between front and surround.

The spatialization represents the front channels of the SACD 3.0

Part 6 : Summary, scoring and Samples

Ed 1: CD layer from SACD – 2004

The rendering of the CD version is good with a nice dynamic, a good spatialization of the instruments, but it remains below the high resolution versions in terms of fineness of the restitution of the high spectrum.

Rating:

  • Dynamic: ●●●●o (3.5)
  • Bandwidth: ●●●●o (4)
  • Restitution: ●●●●o (4)

Sample : ”Symphonie N°3″ 16 bits 44.1 kHz:

Sample 1 Ed 1: CD layer from SACD – 2004
Ed 2: SACD – 2004

Very nice SACD version that perfectly reproduces the analog stereo recording with a very nice soundstage, a nice energy while keeping softness and finesse in the highs.

Rating:

  • Dynamic: ●●●●o (3.5)
  • Bandwidth: ●●●●● (5)
  • Restitution: ●●●●● (5)

Sample : ”Symphonie N°3″ 24 bits 88.2 kHz:

Sample 1 Ed 2: SACD – 2004
Ed 3: SACD 3.0 – 2004

This SACD 3.0 version reproduces the original recording on 3 microphones. To take full advantage of it, you ideally need 3 identical speakers at the front. We thus find a very precise sound restitution with more presence and energy in the center. It is an interesting version to listen to in order to benefit from the rendering of the three channel recording.

Rating:

  • Dynamic: ●●●●o (3.5)
  • Bandwidth: ●●●●● (5)
  • Restitution: ●●●●● (4.5)

Sample : ”Symphonie N°3″ 5.1 (3.0) 24 bits 88.2 kHz:

The sample is in 5.1 wav format, if you can not play the sample in your navigator, you can save it, right button menu and “Save Audio As…” and play it with an external player.

Sample 1 Ed 3: SACD 3.0 – 2004
Ed 4: DXD – 2022

The DXD version of HDTT brings a lively and dynamic listening similar to the SACD version, with however a difference in the sound balance (see the comparison curve of the spectrum), with a clearer sound, giving less presence on certain passage with organ for example compared to the SACD.

Rating:

  • Dynamic: ●●●●o (4)
  • Bandwidth: ●●●●● (5)
  • Restitution: ●●●●o (4)

Sample : ”Symphonie N°3″ 24 bits 88.2 kHz:

Sample 1 Ed 4: DXD – 2022
Ed 5: Qobuz Hi-Res – 2004

This Qobuz version in Hi-Res provides a very nice rendering, very close to the SACD version. This version is certainly from the same SACD master. The difference in listening between the PCM mode of Qobuz and DSD of SACD is also due to the DAC used. Depending on the way the PCM and DSD signals are processed, the sound rendering can be different.

Rating:

  • Dynamic: ●●●●o (3.5)
  • Bandwidth: ●●●●● (5)
  • Restitution: ●●●●o (4)

Sample : ”Symphonie N°3″ 24 bits 88.2 kHz:

Sample 1 Ed 5: Qobuz Hi-Res – 2004
Ed 6: Vinyl – 2014

With a pressing of very good quality, the vinyl brings a very beautiful rendering, very pleasant to the listening. But, on the lowest passages in sound level, it cannot compete with the digital formats like SACD.

Rating:

  • Dynamic: ●●●●o (3.5)
  • Surface noise: ●●●●o (4.5)
  • Bandwidth: ●●●●● (5)
  • Restitution: ●●●●o (4)

Sample : ”Symphonie N°3″ 24 bits 88.2 kHz:

Sample 1 Ed 6: Vinyl – 2014

The performance of Saint-Saëns Symphony No. 3 by Charles Munch and the Boston Symphony Orchestra is amazing. The transcription in SACD format offers a very nice sound experience, with a precise positioning of the instruments, a nice dynamic and a depth in the bass of the organ. The sound space is very well restored, with precision and detail. The 3.0 version is also to be listened to to have the experience of recording with 3 microphones. The vinyl also has a very nice rendering, but the SACD remains quieter in the passages with the lowest sound level. The HDTT version follows closely the sound quality of the SACD version with a little more clarity, giving a little less presence on some passages with the organ for example. These different versions are incredibly rich and detailed for a 1959 recording.

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Detail of the ratings :

  • Dynamic :
    1. Significant dynamic compression, DR less than 7
    2. Compression of the present dynamics, DR between 7 and 9.
    3. Correct piece DR >=10
    4. No dynamic compression (DR >12), dynamic rendering
    5. No dynamic compression, high DR and very dynamic sound rendering
  • Spectrum :
    1. Spectrum cut and less than 15 khz
    2. Spectrum cut at 15 khz
    3. Spectrum not conforming to the original and cut (not HD) or original but limited bandwidth (but less than 20 kHz)
    4. Spectrum conforming to the original (but not HD)
    5. Spectrum conforming to the original with HD resolution (higher than 24kHz)
  • Surface noise (only for vinyl):
    1. Continuous audible noise
    2. Audible surface noise except on passages with a high level of noise
    3. Reduced surface noise, barely audible on low level crossings
    4. Low surface noise, very good quality
    5. Very low surface noise, no defects, almost inaudible on the quiet passages (exceptional disc)
  • Spatialization :
    • Between 0 and 5 for 5.1 or 7.1 channels configuration
    • Between 0 and 10 for Atmos configuration (7.1.4)
    • For more information on spatialization, you can read the article describing this parameter here.
  • Restitution :
    1. Low quality of the restitution mixing dynamics, clarity, separation of voices and instruments.
    2. Average quality of the restitution mixing dynamics, clarity, separation of voices and instruments.
    3. Quality of the restitution mixing dynamics, clarity, separation of voices and instruments. Good record.
    4. High quality of the restitution mixing dynamics, clarity, separation of voices and instruments. Very high level disc.
    5. Maximum quality of the restitution mixing dynamics, clarity, separation of voices and instruments. Exceptional disc.

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